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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 8, 2011 11:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

Ouch, indeed. Someone's got just a BIT of a personal issue going on there, ya think? Seems like a waste of energy at this late date. Maybe he should just bang on some drums and get it all out.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 9, 2011 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

I think Billy has been pretty consistent on this with respect to his feelings about cover bands. He has made similar comments in the past about DSO in the past. However the comment about Warren is interesting. I assumed that the reason they didn't hire Warren was because Warren was tired of being compared to Jerry and wanted to spend time on his other projects. This is sounds like Bob and Phil wanted a guitarist who was more of a jerry copycat so they got one from DSO.

wow from the department of redundancy department. Better wake up before i type next time.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2011-03-09 13:51:46

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Poster: elkdog Date: Mar 9, 2011 3:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

Funny, I've listened to more Furthur shows than "The Dead" shows, and it has nothing to do with Billy being there or not. I love Warren's work in the Mule/ABB sphere, but I don't think he's the best match for the Dead's jamming methodology. Furthur's jams break free of the overly-compressed, less-dynamic stuff The Dead did, at least enough to capture my interest, and I think that has a lot to do with the lead guitar slot. Subtlety is not what one expects from Warren (well, it's not what I expect), but it's nice to have it in this particular style of music.

Maybe Billy got tired of being asked about Furthur, especially when he's got his own (very good) band with its own (very, very good) personnel to promote. Not sure why else he'd be sniping like that.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 9, 2011 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

Agree 100% about Warren. Jimmy herring on the other hand...I thought he nailed it. And he was the guy who came first after garcia. talk about big shoes. I think he did a great job.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Mar 9, 2011 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

I am with you on this. the most satisfying post 7/95 Dead experience was seeing Jimmy Herring with Phil, Bob, Bill, Mickey and Rob B. as The Other Ones in Chicago 12/2/02. I completely agree that "he nailed it". I thought Jimmy did a great job of playing lead without being a Jerry clone. I found his playing to be a fresh and welcome addition to the band - tasteful, inventive and sympathetic. Never did like Warren Haynes in that role. I left that show feeling content, knowing that the 'other ones' (along with Rob and Jimmy) could still deliver the goods.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 9, 2011 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

Have to give him his props. Like they say when a QB, coach or great sports player in general retires. "You don't want to be the guy that replaces the legend. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced the legend" I think he had enough "dead" in him to pacify purists but also contributed his own thing as well.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 9, 2011 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

I too listen to more of Furthur than the "Dead" . Though I don't always get excited by Kadlecik , I think he does fit better than Warren . Now where WH kicks his ass ( and Phil's and Bob's) is his singing ! We all have our ideas of whom would sound good in the guitar spot ( Kimock, Trey etc.) , but no one would be perfect ( yes Jerry Garcia is dead ). I have always though that , to make up ( somewhat ) for Garcia , Phil especially, has tried to push aspects/songs that were ignores with the GD . The songs that work for me are the ones the ones they didn't play much ( the 11) , or the jams . On the other hand , a song like Tennessee Jed, seems like a bar band covering a Dead tune .
I like the 7 Walkers, but they have their limits also . When I saw them, Billy seemed pretty happy . And the unsaid thing, is I would guess it is fun to play as a single drummer again . He was great .

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 9, 2011 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

Of course, he can bang on the drums all he wants since he's such an unimportant part of the overall GD sound :)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 9, 2011 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ouch - will this hurt him in the primaries?

Weirdly, the one-drummer choice for Furthur both goes to show what lots of folks (including Phil) have suggested about BK alone having been a better idea -- hence underscoring Bill's centrality -- and also goes to show that, if you find a really terrific drummer, they are in fact more interchangeable, sound-wise, than one of the (ahem) Core Three :-)

Btw I don't think it's strange at all that he'd think what he said or say it to friends; I assume folks can be pretty tough critics privately, and while I don't agree that Furthur is more of a "what do they call them?" than what Bill is doing, it's a perfectly legitimate viewpoint. But I just don't think he'd say it publically unless he had a personal gripe going with Phil/Bob/whoever in the Furthur org.



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2011-03-10 05:23:03